[Fish1941]

Which story arcs in DS9 did not work for you? I can think of a few. I disliked the early S6 story arc that featured the Dominion/Cardassian occupation of Deep Space Nine. It seemed like a badly written take on World War II Resistance movies. Nor did I care for the story arc featuring Kai Winn, Dukat and the Pah Wraiths. As for Bashir being substituted by a changeling . . . it came to nothing and it had a blooper featuring Bashir's uniform. There are others that I'll post later.

[Mishi]

I actually loved the story arc involving the Cardassian/Dominion take over of Deep Space Nine.

I don't know about bad story arcs, but there were some episodes that were just dreadful. Take Me Out to the Holosuite was probably one of the worst. I hated that episode. Another one I didn't like was the Emperor's New Cloak. It just had some cliche writing at the end where the same ending/events could have been easily worked out in a none stupified and cliche way.

Even with that said, DS9 is my favorite Trek series! There were only a few episodes I didn't like.

[GenesisDevice]

Fish1941, on Jun 25 2009, 12:45 AM, said:

As for Bashir being substituted by a changeling . . . it came to nothing and it had a blooper featuring Bashir's uniform.

Did it...?

I liked pretty much all the story arcs in DS9, with the possible exception of the later Maquis ones. I don't know why, they just started to bore me after a while.

I agree with Mishi on those episodes - they were awful!

[DaxFanDS9]

If there were any bad story arcs I think they were in Voyager, not DS9. DS9 had some pretty epic story arcs, yes there were bad episodes, although I think of different episodes to those listed above, I'm thinking more of season 1 where the series was just starting, but they were still better than some of Voyager's episodes (threshold springs to mind for some reason ), oh and some of the Ezri-centric episodes in Season 7 were quite bad. I'm gonna be lynched, but I actually enjoyed Take Me Out To The Holosuite and the Vic Fontaine episodes.

[maneth]

I think singing on sci-fi shows is stupid (unless it's a singer like Fontaine), so I disliked the bits where any member of the main cast sang. That doesn't mean that such episodes were all bad, but just that particular plot in the episode.

Q is one of the most annoying characters on any TV show IMO, so I heartily dislike all episodes where he shows up. The only exception is Voyager's Death Wish, that one actually had a decent plot.

[Fish1941]

DaxFanDS9, on Jun 25 2009, 06:35 AM, said:

If there were any bad story arcs I think they were in Voyager, not DS9. DS9 had some pretty epic story arcs, yes there were bad episodes, although I think of different episodes to those listed above, I'm thinking more of season 1 where the series was just starting, but they were still better than some of Voyager's episodes (threshold springs to mind for some reason ), oh and some of the Ezri-centric episodes in Season 7 were quite bad. I'm gonna be lynched, but I actually enjoyed Take Me Out To The Holosuite and the Vic Fontaine episodes.

Granted, VOYAGER and other Trek series like THE ORIGINAL SERIES, NEXT GENERATION and ENTERPRISE had its share of bad writing. But so did DEEP SPACE NINE. And I don't think that DS9's worst episodes were better than VOYAGER's episodes. I find that very hard to believe.

By the way, I hated the Vic Fontaine episodes and I hated the "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" episode.

[Captain Benjamin Sisko]

I did not care for the Dukat/Winn storyline that encompassed the majority of the series' final episodes, nor did I find the concept of Dukat worshiping the Pah'Wraiths entertaining.

--Captain Sisko

[JayTheTrekkie]

^Same here...I wasn't a fan of the Dukat/Winn storyline arc...I found it boring. I was like, come on, get back to the other action with the DS9 crew lol

I think this was the only story arc that I was not fond of.

This post has been edited by JayTheTrekkie: 26 June 2009 - 10:49 AM

[DaxFanDS9]

I liked Dukat/Winn even though I can't stand Winn (the one character in DS9 I can't find any reason to like), although I do think they could have condensed the arc or give it the same number of episodes to develop but not as much screentime. To be fair it does end up being a vital arc in WYLB.

[Captain Benjamin Sisko]

Fish1941, on 24 June 2009 - 06:45 PM, said:

As for Bashir being substituted by a changeling . . . it came to nothing and it had a blooper featuring Bashir's uniform. There are others that I'll post later.

If you're referring to Bashir sporting the pre-First Contact uniforms, that actually isn't a blooper at all. Bashir was abducted before "Rapture," which was the first Deep Space 9 episode to feature the new uniforms, so it's hardly surprising that he would be wearing an older uniform while in captivity.

--Captain Sisko

[Hellfighter]

How about this Horrible Episode...

[DaxFanDS9]

That's one episode, not an arc spanning multiple episodes

[Hellfighter]

Okay, any Ferengi Episode, besides "The Magnificent Ferengi"

[Captain Benjamin Sisko]

Hellfighter, on 06 December 2009 - 11:58 AM, said:

How about this Horrible Episode...

I actually didn't mind "Profit and Lace," though I can't help but wonder what became of Natima and her students.

--Captain Sisko

[Miranda Fave]

Captain Benjamin Sisko, on 26 June 2009 - 12:46 AM, said:

I did not care for the Dukat/Winn storyline that encompassed the majority of the series' final episodes, nor did I find the concept of Dukat worshiping the Pah'Wraiths entertaining.

--Captain Sisko

Oh I agree. that story arc was badly handled and did not pay off. The big show down and supposed purpose of the Emissary being sent by the Prophets culminated in Sisko and Dukat have a grapple on a cliff edge and falling over. yawn. That story arc not only lessened an otherwise great finale but ruined two very intriguing characters - two baddies everyone loved to hate. Dukat and Winn deserved a better end and should have had their comeuppance on some more satisfying way. I'd have loved for Winn to be exposed as a collaborator or something. Dukat would have been enthralling to have as part of the Dominion and being a direct part of Cardassia's downfall. Instead, he's off in some cave chanting mumbo jumbo. roll eyes please

[Mishi]

Miranda, I agree with you on how that arc was played out in the end. I kind of expected something more with the final "battle" between Dukat and Sisko. The cliff was, as you put it, "yawn." It wasn't the worst "final battle" between two rivals I've seen, but it could have been better.

[Cheile]

there were good and bad points abt each of the arcs, i think.

[GenesisDevice]

Captain Benjamin Sisko, on 06 December 2009 - 07:19 PM, said:

Hellfighter, on 06 December 2009 - 11:58 AM, said:

How about this Horrible Episode...

I actually didn't mind "Profit and Lace," though I can't help but wonder what became of Natima and her students.

--Captain Sisko

You're thinking of DS9: Profit and Loss. That was the one with Quark's ex-lover. DS9: Profit and Lace is where Quark has a sex-change to convince the FCA that females should be allowed to wear clothes.

[Miranda Fave]

Mishi, on 07 December 2009 - 11:12 PM, said:

Miranda, I agree with you on how that arc was played out in the end. I kind of expected something more with the final "battle" between Dukat and Sisko. The cliff was, as you put it, "yawn." It wasn't the worst "final battle" between two rivals I've seen, but it could have been better.

Yeah maybe not the worst but considering how awesome the rivalry between the two was as opposing leaders who sometimes had to work together for a common goal the way the arc went meant their show down was always going to be a damp squib. Before hand it was a complex interplay between two leaders one baddie with quite a lot of charm and with his fingers in all the pies in terms of the spheres of influence and the areas of interest to Sisko. They constantly butted heads throughout the series but this Pah Wraith arc reduced their relationship down to a good vs bad when theirs was always a much more complex relationship. I'd have preferred something more dynamic or dubious at the end rather than the cardboard cut out show down. Dukat leading the rebellion perhaps but his own motives not entirely to be trusted; Dukat siding with the Federation and acting as an advisor or something; might be some of the ways they could have gone. Or if going the route they did go make it much more epic in scale - make it feel as if something was in the balance - tie the fate of the wormhole aliens to the fate of the Dominion War. The way it played out only adds to the tacked on feel of it all.