[mr Pointy Ears]

In the DS9 episode Trials and tribble-ation,when agents from the federation department of temporal investigations came to the station to investigate the defiant trip throught time.the epiosde mentions that there has been 6 starships to be named Enterprise,would this mean that the Enterprise E would had been commissioned and be on active duty serving the federation,or would the 6th enterprise be the late starship enterprise-D?>

[Jimi James]

They were indeed referring to the Enterprise-E, because even though First Contact took place after Trials and Tribulations, Geordie mentioned in First Contact that they had been in space almost year by that point. So since T&T is a fifth season episode and First Contact took place in that same year, we can assume that the TNG got the new Enterprise-E sometime during DS9's fourth season.

[Naruto Uzumaki]

what about the NX-01?

[Scotty]

The Enterprise-E was launched within 12 months of the destruction of the Enterprise-D. The ship was launched in 2372. Trials and Tribble-ations, was set in 2373. This would've took place not too long before First Contact. This is due to the crew wearing the old colored uniform, jumpsuit. First Contact took place after "Children of Time". There was a line where it wa saud, "First The Borg, the Klingons, now the Dominon."

[Jimi James]

DATA2007, on Nov 26 2007, 09:12 AM, said:

what about the NX-01?

It doesn't count, it's not a Federation Starship

[ussabbey-3]

it would be the d if you count nx-01. otherwise, the e.

[robjkay]

mr Pointy Ears, on Nov 22 2007, 04:40 PM, said:

In the DS9 episode Trials and tribble-ation,when agents from the federation department of temporal investigations came to the station to investigate the defiant trip throught time.the epiosde mentions that there has been 6 starships to be named Enterprise,would this mean that the Enterprise E would had been commissioned and be on active duty serving the federation,or would the 6th enterprise be the late starship enterprise-D?>

It would have been the Enterprise-E of which would have been the 6th starship to be named Enterprise!

1. USS Enterprise NCC-1701 Constitution-class
2. USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A Constitution-class refit
3. USS Enterprise NCC-1701-B Excelsior-class variant
4. USS Enterprise NCC-1701-C Ambassador-class
5. USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D Galaxy-class
6. USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E Sovereign-class

The USS Enterprise XCV 330 Pre-starfleet Earth ship, & the Enterprise NX-01 Starfleet's first Enterprise are not included being they were not Federation ships!

[robjkay]

ussabbey-3, on Feb 9 2008, 12:14 PM, said:

it would be the d if you count nx-01. otherwise, the e.

The NX-01 would not be counted being its not a Federation ship!

[Terilynn]

"USS Enterprise
Sovereign class - Sixth starship to bear the name
Registry number NCC-1701-E - Launched Stardate 49827.5
San Francisco Yards - United Federation of Planets

"To boldly go where no one has gone before..." "

AN EXCERPT COPIED FROM MEMORY ALPHA - NCC-1701-E'S DEDICATION PLAQUE.

It's the 6th.

[Nemesis]

The most logical reason is that the series Enterprise was not thought of, so in the Star Trek Universum the Enterprise NX didn't exist yet, so they couldn't let it count. All other reasons are assumptions.
end of story

[robjkay]

Nemesis, on Mar 1 2008, 02:53 AM, said:

The most logical reason is that the series Enterprise was not thought of, so in the Star Trek Universum the Enterprise NX didn't exist yet, so they couldn't let it count. All other reasons are assumptions.
end of story

Even if the NX-01 did exist, it still would have been counted being it was not a Federation starship.

[Nemesis]

What does it matter if it was a federation ship or not? Offcourse the spaceshuttle or the aircraft carrier is something else, but the NX should be counted. the only reason it's not counted because the series didn't exist and they didn't knew it was going to be...

[robjkay]

Nemesis, on Mar 1 2008, 10:39 AM, said:

What does it matter if it was a federation ship or not? Offcourse the spaceshuttle or the aircraft carrier is something else, but the NX should be counted. the only reason it's not counted because the series didn't exist and they didn't knew it was going to be...

It does matter! Why would you count a ship that was named Enterprise if it was never apart of the Federation? I understand you would not include the spaceshuttle or an aircraft carrier being they were not vessels that were in space. But what about the USS Enterprise XCV 330 – Pre-starfleet Earth ship, should we include this ship? Of course not, its not because it was never a Federation vessel just like the NX-01 Enterprise!

In the DS9 episode Trials and tribble-ation, which mentions that there has been 6 starships to be named Enterprise. There referring to the 6 starships that were in the Federation, they were not referring to any ships that were in service before the Federation of which would have been in service SF Earth. Even though the series ST Enterprise was not around at the time of DS9, but the fact being it is now. There needs to be a clear reason why the NX-01 Enterprise is not included in the list of the 6 Starships named Enterprise. That way it does not screw up with what is already canon, hence my explanation on the subject.

The 6 Federation Starships that were named Enterprise!

1. USS Enterprise NCC-1701 Constitution-class
2. USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A Constitution-class refit
3. USS Enterprise NCC-1701-B Excelsior-class variant
4. USS Enterprise NCC-1701-C Ambassador-class
5. USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D Galaxy-class
6. USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E Sovereign-class

[elara_ananke]

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There needs to be a clear reason why the NX-01 Enterprise is not included in the list of the 6 Starships named Enterprise. That way it does not screw up with what is already canon, hence my explanation on the subject.

I can definitely agree with this explanation. Star Trek: First Contact premiered only a couple of weeks after this DS9 episode, and Ronald D. Moore was involved in writing the story for both the movie and the episode, so he would definitely throw this "spoiler" into the TV episode. Also, Sisko refers to Enterprise NCC-1701 as the "first" Enterprise at one point in the episode.

[Nemesis]

I know you want a canon explanation, but jeesh.. don't make it difficult for yourself.. the following quote is from the script of Trials- and tribbleations

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INT. DEEP SPACE NINE - CAPTAIN'S OFFICE

Dulmur is eyeing Sisko as Lucsly takes notes on his
PADD.

DULMUR
Be specific, Captain. Which
Enterprise? There've been five.

LUCSLY
Six.

SISKO
This was the first Enterprise.
Constitution class.

Dulmur and Lucsly exchange a dark look.

DULMUR
His ship.

LUCSLY
James T. Kirk.

SISKO
(smiles)
The one and only.

LUCSLY
(shaking his head)
Seventeen separate temporal
violations. The biggest file on
record.

DULMUR
The man was a menace.
(pushing on)
What was the date of your arrival?

SISKO
Stardate 4523.7.

Do you see any word about federation? no!
Do you see that Sisko says's.. the FIRST, constitution class?

the sixth is referring to the ENT-E, and nothing else. The NX was not invented yet! Don't mix real life with entertainment. Why should it be true in canon, there are a lot of things that don't make sence in Star Trek. How about the klingon forehead story?

[robjkay]

Unfortunately I am not trying to make anything difficult!

I see the script, and being Sisko clearly points out that the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 Constitution-class is the first ship to bear the name of Enterprise and not a ship from Earth's era shows he was clearly referring to only Federation ships.

Being Lucsly states that there were six ships to bear the name of Enterprise, the 6th ship would be USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E Sovereign-class.

Understand?

Now we know that the NX-01 Enterprise or the series ST Enterprise was not created yet when the series ST DS9 was on, of which I have stated before. Being later on the series ST Enterprise was created of which there was a ship called NX-01 Enterprise and that other people have been asked where does this ship fall into the statement from STAR TREK: DS9 - "Trials and Tribble-ations of which was stated there were 6 ships to bear the name of Enterprise. The answer is of which I stated before is that Sisko was only talking about Federation ships that beared the name not ships from SF Earth, not ship from the Coalition of Planets, or from the Mirror Universe, and not ships from today!

From what I said, it gives a clear reason why the NX-01 Enterprise or any other ship before the founding of the Federation why they are not included in the list of the 6 Starships named Enterprise. That way it does not screw up with what is already canon, it makes everything very simple hence my explanation on the subject.

[robjkay]

Nemesis, on Mar 1 2008, 01:16 PM, said:

the sixth is referring to the ENT-E, and nothing else. The NX was not invented yet! Don't mix real life with entertainment. Why should it be true in canon, there are a lot of things that don't make sence in Star Trek. How about the klingon forehead story?

I am not mixing real life with entertainment, I am clearly answering a question being that ST Enterprise is now apart of all things that is ST (Unfortunately)! Therefore saying "the NX was not invented yet!" is really not true!

[Nemesis]

I don't agree.

We both agree that the sixt is the ent-e. But Sisko never says that he only talks about federation ships. That's not an assumption you can make. But hey, if you feel comfortable for this, so you can believe in the canon in Star Trek, by all means.

[robjkay]

Nemesis, on Mar 1 2008, 04:24 PM, said:

I don't agree.

We both agree that the sixt is the ent-e. But Sisko never says that he only talks about federation ships. That's not an assumption you can make. But hey, if you feel comfortable for this, so you can believe in the canon in Star Trek, by all means.

Well why would he talk about any other ships other then Federation ships? It would be like the US Navy to where someone wanted to know all the ships that were named Enterprise. Would they only point out the ship that were named Enterprise that were from the US Navy or would they also include ships that were named from the British Royal Navy, civilian ships, the space shuttle and a Goodyear blimb? One would only expect them to only point out the ships that have been in service with the US. Navy!

Also I really does not matter if Sisko did not say only Federation ships. Being for the simple fact that Sisko clearly points out that the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 Constitution-class is the first ship to bear the name of Enterprise and not any ship before that, he is clearly referring to only Federation ships which is NOT an assumption!!! Also being its a fact that Lucsly states that there were six ships to bear the name of Enterprise, of which was stated before the first was USS Enterprise NCC-1701 and not USS Enterprise XCV 330 (from ST TMP) of which is again NOT an assumption but is a fact and is canon!!!

So yes I feel comfortable what I am saying and what I believe to be correct being its simply canon.

[robjkay]

Being if we go backward from the last ship we know of that was named Enterprise, the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E would be the last ships to be named Enterprise. So using the statement from Lucsly (DS9: Trials and Tribble-ations) she states that there were '6' Enterprises and using Sisko's statement (DS9: Trials and Tribble-ations) where he states "This was the first Enterprise. Constitution class", which suggests that Kirks ship was the first ship to bear the name Enterprise. From this we can create a list which is...

6. USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E
5. USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D
4. USS Enterprise NCC-1701-C
3. USS Enterprise NCC-1701-B
2. USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A
1. USS Enterprise NCC-1701

From this list we see that all these ships are Federation SF ships and not ships that were before the founding/forming of the Federation. Due to this we can deduce from the statements from Sisko & Lucsly, that they were only talking about Federation ships and nothing before or beyond that! One thing that supports this is because we knew there was a pre-starfleet Earth ship named USS Enterprise XCV 330 from ST: TMP that existed before DS9 was ever made. Also on top of this there were other vessels that beared the name of Enterprise that were not included in Sisko & Lucsly total of ships that used this name. Which were...

VSS Enterprise
TS Enterprise (T-AK-5059)
Space Shuttle Enterprise (OV-101)
USS Enterprise CVN-65 Enterprise-class aircraft carrier
USS Enterprise CV-6 Yorktown-class aircraft carrier
Enterprise (SP-790) motor yacht
USS Enterprise (1874) barque-rigged screw sloop
USS Enterprise (1831) 10-gun schooner
USS Enterprise (1799) 12-gun schooner
Enterprise (1776) schooner
USS Enterprise (1775) armed sloop

Royal Navy ships

HMS Enterprise (1705)
HMS Enterprize (1709)
HMS Enterprize (1743)
HMS Enterprize (1718)
HMS Enterprize (1774)
HMS Enterprise (1848)
HMS Enterprise (1864)
HMS Enterprise (D52)
HMS Enterprise (A71)
HMS Enterprise (H88)

Blimp

Enterprise, an early Goodyear Blimp

There is also many more vessels that have been named Enterprise throughout history, also in ST there is another ship to bear this name which was Enterprise NX-01 – Starfleet's first Enterprise (pre-Federation) which I have not included being the series Star Trek: Enterprise was not made when Sisko & Lucsly made there statements from DS9: Trials and Tribble-ations. But this would not have made a difference simply because that only Federation ships were mentioned and not all the other numerous of vessels that bore the name ENTERPRISE!